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This old man (Kirt Blattenberger) reaches Social Security (SS) Full Retirement Age (FRA) on April 18th, so my benefits will begin being paid on May 1st. Being the progenitor and webmaster of RF Cafe (RFCafe.com), that makes the following information relevant. For those not familiar with SS, for my birth year, 1958, full retirement age occurs at 66 years and 8 months (66y8m).

If I had begun collecting SS prior to now (eligible at 62y0m), my benefit amount would be reduced to around 60% of the full FRA level. It would never go above that level. The reduction linearly adjusted from 62y0m through 66y8m, but you are forever locked in at the rate where you begin. Not only that, but there is a one-for-two reduction where SS benefits are reduced by one dollar for every two dollars earned over a specified threshold (currently $21,240). That means if, prior to FRA, I earned $61,240, my SS benefit would be reduced by $(61,240-21,240)/2 = $20,000 for the year, which means I would receive almost nothing. Great feature of the overall Ponzi scheme, eh?

I queried a few of the AI engines regarding how much money the Social Security Administration and Medicare (aka Federal Insurance Contributions Act, FICA) will not be paying out to people who are listed as having died due to Covid during the crisis. Estimates are in the $500B to $1T realm. I also asked how much FICA money had been collected from the victims prior to death. A conspiracy theorist might be tempted to believe the government welcomed the scenario and maybe even funded the research that caused this. Oh, wait...

Here are the instructions posed to all AI engines:

"Please estimate the amount of money which will NOT be paid out by Social Security and Medicare to people who died of Covid during the pandemic. Use typical life spans of those who died to project amounts which will not be paid. E.g., a 66-year-old died and therefore will not be paid Social Security benefits for, assuming typical lifespan of 80 years, the following 14 years. Use typical current Social Security statistics for payment amounts and benefit receivers. Include Social Security disabilities, where applicable. Also, please estimate the total amount of Social Security money collected from those who died of Covid, but will never be paid out. "

Results are arranged in columns to emphasize the volume of response from each AI engine.

 

Gemini Flash 2.0 (Google) Grok 2 (xAI) DeepSeek R1 (PRC)
Social Security Unpaid: $338.6B  Medicare Unpaid: $231B
Total Program Savings: $569.6B
FICA Taxes Retained: $39.6B
Social Security Unpaid: $372.6B  Medicare Unpaid: $219.2B
Total Program Savings: $591.8B
FICA Taxes Retained: $39.3B

Social Security Unpaid: $1.01T Medicare Unpaid: $125.2B
Total Program Savings: $1.135T
FICA Taxes Retained: $165B

It's impossible to provide a perfectly accurate estimate of the amount of money not paid out by Social Security and Medicare due to COVID-19 deaths. The data needed for such precision is complex, constantly evolving, and not fully available publicly. However, I can offer a rough estimate based on reasonable assumptions and publicly available data.

Here's the breakdown of the challenges and assumptions:

• Data Gaps: Precise age distribution of COVID-19 deaths, pre-existing disability status, average earnings history of the deceased, and specific Medicare utilization patterns are not fully available. Public data sources provide estimates that may be used.

• Complexity of Benefit Calculation: Social Security benefits are based on lifetime earnings, age at retirement, and other factors. Disability benefits have different formulas. Medicare costs vary widely depending on health conditions and service utilization.

• Mortality Trends: COVID-19's impact on life expectancy and overall mortality rates has been significant but is still being analyzed. Using pre-pandemic life expectancy as the only metric is potentially flawed, because there has been an overall drop in life expectancy.

• Dynamic Nature: Benefit amounts, cost of living adjustments (COLAs), and healthcare costs change yearly.

Assumptions:

• Total COVID-19 Deaths: Roughly 1.1 million in the U.S. (as of late 2023).

• Average Age at Death: I will consider two scenarios:
o Scenario A (Conservative): Average age at death is 75 years old
o Scenario B (Aggressive): Average age at death is 70 years old.

• Life Expectancy: Pre-pandemic life expectancy in the US was around 79 years. However, let's use 80 years, since that is what you requested.

• Social Security Benefit: Average Social Security retirement benefit is about $1,900 per month in 2024 (this is a simplifying assumption, acknowledging variation). The average disability benefit is around $1,500 per month.

• Disability Rate: Assume 10% of those who died were receiving Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) benefits before death.

• Medicare Costs: Average Medicare spending per enrollee is roughly $14,000 per year. This includes all parts (A, B, C, D).

• Unpaid Social Security Taxes: This is very difficult to estimate without individual earnings data. We'll make a simplifying assumption that, on average, individuals contributed 7.65% (employee share of Social Security and Medicare taxes) of $50,000 annually for 10 years prior to death. This is not perfect, but is included to show how much may have been contributed but will not be paid out.

• No discounting: I will not discount future benefits to present value. This would require assumptions about discount rates, which adds complexity.

Calculations: Scenario A (Avg Death at 75):

• Years of Lost Social Security Retirement Benefits: 80 - 75 = 5 years

• Number of Retirement-Age Deaths (90%): 1,100,000 * 0.90 = 990,000

• Total Lost Retirement Benefits: 990,000 * 5 years * 12 months/year * $1,900/month = $113.22 Billion

• Number of Disability-Age Deaths (10%): 1,100,000 * 0.10 = 110,000

• Years of Lost Disability Benefits: Assume an average of 10 years of lost potential benefits (this is very rough).

• Total Lost Disability Benefits: 110,000 * 10 years * 12 months/year * $1,500/month = $19.8 Billion

• Total Lost Medicare Benefits: 1,100,000 * 5 years * $14,000/year = $77 Billion

• Unpaid Social Security Taxes: 1,100,000 * 10 years * ($50,000 * 0.0765) = $4.2075 Billion

• Total Lost Benefits (Scenario A): $113.22B + $19.8B + $77B + $4.2075B = $214.2275 Billion

Scenario B (Avg Death at 70):

• Years of Lost Social Security Retirement Benefits: 80 - 70 = 10 years

• Number of Retirement-Age Deaths (90%): 1,100,000 * 0.90 = 990,000

• Total Lost Retirement Benefits: 990,000 * 10 years * 12 months/year * $1,900/month = $226.4 Billion

• Number of Disability-Age Deaths (10%): 1,100,000 * 0.10 = 110,000 • Years of Lost Disability Benefits: Assume an average of 15 years of lost potential benefits (this is very rough).

• Total Lost Disability Benefits: 110,000 * 15 years * 12 months/year * $1,500/month = $29.7 Billion

• Total Lost Medicare Benefits: 1,100,000 * 10 years * $14,000/year = $154 Billion

• Unpaid Social Security Taxes: 1,100,000 * 10 years * ($50,000 * 0.0765) = $4.2075 Billion

• Total Lost Benefits (Scenario B): $226.4B + $29.7B + $154B + $4.2075B = $414.3075 Billion

Scenario C (Avg Death at 65):

Years of Lost Social Security Retirement Benefits: 80 - 65 = 15 years

Number of Retirement-Age Deaths (90%): 1,100,000 * 0.90 = 990,000

Total Lost Retirement Benefits: 990,000 * 15 years * 12 months/year * $1,900/month = $338.58 Billion

Number of Disability-Age Deaths (10%): 1,100,000 * 0.10 = 110,000

Years of Lost Disability Benefits: Assume an average of 20 years of lost potential benefits (this is very rough).

Total Lost Disability Benefits: 110,000 * 20 years * 12 months/year * $1,500/month = $39.6 Billion

Total Lost Medicare Benefits: 1,100,000 * 15 years * $14,000/year = $231 Billion

Unpaid Social Security Taxes: 1,100,000 * 10 years * ($50,000 * 0.0765) = $4.2075 Billion

Total Lost Benefits (Scenario C): $338.58B + $39.6B + $231B + $4.2075B = $613.3875 Billion

Scenario D (Avg Death at 60):

Years of Lost Social Security Retirement Benefits: 80 - 60 = 20 years

Number of Retirement-Age Deaths (90%): 1,100,000 * 0.90 = 990,000

Total Lost Retirement Benefits: 990,000 * 20 years * 12 months/year * $1,900/month = $450.36 Billion

Number of Disability-Age Deaths (10%): 1,100,000 * 0.10 = 110,000

Years of Lost Disability Benefits: Assume an average of 25 years of lost potential benefits (this is very rough).

Total Lost Disability Benefits: 110,000 * 25 years * 12 months/year * $1,500/month = $49.5 Billion

Total Lost Medicare Benefits: 1,100,000 * 20 years * $14,000/year = $308 Billion

Unpaid Social Security Taxes: 1,100,000 * 10 years * ($50,000 * 0.0765) = $4.2075 Billion

Total Lost Benefits (Scenario D): $450.36B + $49.5B + $308B + $4.2075B = $812.0675 Billion

Summary of Scenarios:

Scenario A (Avg Death at 75): $214.2275 Billion

Scenario B (Avg Death at 70): $414.3075 Billion

Scenario C (Avg Death at 65): $613.3875 Billion

Scenario D (Avg Death at 60): $812.0675 Billion

Final Conclusion:

The estimated range of Social Security and Medicare benefits that will not be paid out due to COVID-19 deaths, based on these scenarios, is between $214 Billion and $812 Billion.

Important Reminder:

These calculations are based on numerous simplifying assumptions and publicly available data. The actual numbers could be significantly different. Factors like pre-existing conditions, individual earnings histories, specific Medicare utilization, and changes in benefit structures would all influence the final outcome. However, this exercise illustrates the potential magnitude of the financial impact of the pandemic on these vital social programs. A further detailed study would need to be conducted with government access to data to better determine the final estimates.

 

To estimate the amount of money that will not be paid out by Social Security and Medicare to people who died of Covid during the pandemic, we need to consider several factors including the age of the deceased, their expected lifespan, and the average benefits they would have received. Let's break this down step by step.

Step 1: Determine the number of Covid deaths and their age distribution.

According to the CDC, as of early 2023, approximately 1.1 million people in the U.S. have died from Covid-19. The age distribution of these deaths is as follows (based on data from the CDC):

Under 25: 1%
25-44: 5%
45-64: 25%
65-74: 25%
75+: 44%

Step 2: Estimate the remaining lifespan for each age group.

Using life expectancy data from the National Center for Health Statistics:

Under 25: 55 years
25-44: 35 years
45-64: 20 years
65-74: 15 years 75+: 10 years

Step 3: Determine average Social Security and Medicare benefits.

Social Security:

Average monthly benefit for retired workers (2023): $1,827

Average monthly benefit for disabled workers (2023): $1,358 Medicare: Average annual Medicare spending per beneficiary (2020): $12,900

Step 4: Calculate the total benefits not paid out.

Social Security: We'll calculate the total benefits not paid out for each age group and then sum them up.

1. Under 25:

Number of deaths: 11,000 (1% of 1.1 million)
Remaining years: 55
Total benefits per person: 55 * 12 * $1,827 = $1,205,820
Total for group: 11,000 * $1,205,820 = $13.26 billion

2. 25-44:

Number of deaths: 55,000 (5% of 1.1 million)
Remaining years: 35
Total benefits per person: 35 * 12 * $1,827 = $768,360
Total for group: 55,000 * $768,360 = $42.26 billion

3. 45-64:

Number of deaths: 275,000 (25% of 1.1 million)
Remaining years: 20
Total benefits per person: 20 * 12 * $1,827 = $438,480
Total for group: 275,000 * $438,480 = $120.58 billion

4. 65-74:

Number of deaths: 275,000 (25% of 1.1 million)
Remaining years: 15
Total benefits per person: 15 * 12 * $1,827 = $328,860
Total for group: 275,000 * $328,860 = $90.44 billion

5. 75+:

Number of deaths: 484,000 (44% of 1.1 million)
Remaining years: 10
Total benefits per person: 10 * 12 * $1,827 = $219,240
Total for group: 484,000 * $219,240 = $106.11 billion

Total Social Security benefits not paid out: $13.26 billion + $42.26 billion + $120.58 billion + $90.44 billion + $106.11 billion = $372.65 billion

Medicare:

Using the same age distribution and remaining years:

1. Under 25:

Number of deaths: 11,000
Remaining years: 55
Total benefits per person: 55 * $12,900 = $709,500
Total for group: 11,000 * $709,500 = $7.80 billion

2. 25-44:

Number of deaths: 55,000
Remaining years: 35
Total benefits per person: 35 * $12,900 = $451,500
Total for group: 55,000 * $451,500 = $24.83 billion

3. 45-64:

Number of deaths: 275,000
Remaining years: 20
Total benefits per person: 20 * $12,900 = $258,000
Total for group: 275,000 * $258,000 = $70.95 billion

4. 65-74:

Number of deaths: 275,000
Remaining years: 15
Total benefits per person: 15 * $12,900 = $193,500
Total for group: 275,000 * $193,500 = $53.21 billion

5. 75+:

Number of deaths: 484,000
Remaining years: 10
Total benefits per person: 10 * $12,900 = $129,000
Total for group: 484,000 * $129,000 = $62.44 billion

Total Medicare benefits not paid out: $7.80 billion + $24.83 billion + $70.95 billion + $53.21 billion + $62.44 billion = $219.23 billion

Step 5: Estimate Social Security contributions from those who died of Covid.

To estimate the total amount of Social Security money collected from those who died of Covid, we need to consider the average annual contributions. The average annual Social Security tax contribution per worker in 2023 is approximately $5,000.

Using the same age distribution:

1. Under 25:

Number of deaths: 11,000
Average working years: 40 (assuming they start working at 25)
Total contributions per person: 40 * $5,000 = $200,000
Total for group: 11,000 * $200,000 = $2.20 billion

2. 25-44:

Number of deaths: 55,000
Average working years: 35
Total contributions per person: 35 * $5,000 = $175,000
Total for group: 55,000 * $175,000 = $9.63 billion

3. 45-64:

Number of deaths: 275,000
Average working years: 20
Total contributions per person: 20 * $5,000 = $100,000
Total for group: 275,000 * $100,000 = $27.50 billion

4. 65-74:

Number of deaths: 275,000
Average working years: 0 (assuming they are retired)
Total contributions per person: 0 * $5,000 = $0
Total for group: 275,000 * $0 = $0

5. 75+:

Number of deaths: 484,000
Average working years: 0 (assuming they are retired)
Total contributions per person: 0 * $5,000 = $0
Total for group: 484,000 * $0 = $0

Total Social Security contributions from those who died of Covid: $2.20 billion + $9.63 billion + $27.50 billion + $0 + $0 = $39.33 billion.

Summary

Total Social Security benefits not paid out: $372.65 billion

Total Medicare benefits not paid out: $219.23 billion

Total Social Security contributions from those who died of Covid: $39.33 billion

These estimates provide a broad overview and should be considered as rough approximations due to the variability in individual circumstances and the use of average values.

<Thinking> Okay, so I need to estimate the total amount of money that Social Security and Medicare will not pay out to people who died from Covid during the pandemic. The user wants me to use typical lifespans of those who died to project the unpaid amounts. Also, include Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) where applicable and estimate the total Social Security taxes collected from the deceased that won't be paid out as benefits. Let's break this down step by step.

First, I need the number of Covid deaths in the US. The user mentioned in the previous conversation about 1.1 million deaths as of 2023. I'll use that number unless there's a more recent update, but I'll proceed with 1.1 million. Next, the age distribution of these deaths. The majority of Covid deaths were among those 65 and older, but a significant portion were younger. Let me recall that around 75% were 65+ and 25% under 65. I'll use that split: 825,000 deaths in the 65+ group and 275,000 in the under-65 group.

For each age group, I need to calculate the remaining life expectancy at the time of death to determine how many years of benefits they would have received. For the 65+ group, the average age at death is around 78 years. The remaining life expectancy for a 78-year-old is about 10 years (using SSA period life tables). For the under-65 group, let's assume the average age at death is 55. Their remaining life expectancy from 55 would be about 27 years, but since benefits start at 65, they would have received benefits for 82 (55 + 27) - 65 = 17 years.

Now, Social Security benefits: The average monthly benefit for retirees is about $1,800 (as of 2023). For disabled workers (SSDI), the average is around $1,400 per month. However, not all under-65 deaths were receiving SSDI. Let's say 20% of the under-65 group were on SSDI. So, 20% of 275,000 = 55,000 people. The rest (220,000) would have transitioned to retirement benefits at 65.

Medicare: Most people 65+ are enrolled in Medicare. For those under 65, Medicare eligibility comes through disability (after 24 months of SSDI). So, the 55,000 SSDI recipients would be on Medicare. The average annual Medicare spending per enrollee is about $13,000.

Social Security taxes paid by the deceased: This requires estimating the total payroll taxes (FICA) paid by these individuals during their working years. The current Social Security tax rate is 6.2% for employees and employers each, up to the taxable maximum ($160,200 in 2023). To estimate this, I need average lifetime earnings for the deceased. This is complex, but for simplification, assume the average deceased person paid $200,000 in total Social Security taxes (employee + employer share). However, this is a rough estimate and might vary widely.

Putting it all together:

Social Security Retirement Benefits Not Paid: 825,000 (65+) * 10 years * $1,800/month * 12 = $178.2 billion 220,000 (under-65 future retirees) * 17 years * $1,800/month * 12 = $807.84 billion Total retirement benefits not paid: $178.2B + $807.84B = $986.04B

SSDI Benefits Not Paid: 55,000 (SSDI recipients) * remaining life expectancy (from age 55, 27 years) * $1,400/month * 12 = $55,000 * 27 * $16,800 = $24.9B

Medicare Savings: 825,000 (65+) * 10 years * $13,000 = $107.25B 55,000 (SSDI/Medicare) * 27 years * $13,000 = $19.305B Total Medicare savings: $107.25B + $19.305B = $126.555B

Total Unpaid Benefits: Social Security (retirement + SSDI) = $986.04B + $24.9B = $1,010.94B Medicare = $126.555B Combined total = $1,137.5 billion (~$1.14 trillion)

Social Security Taxes Collected but Unpaid: 1.1 million deceased * $200,000 (estimated total contributions) = $220 billion

However, these numbers are highly sensitive to assumptions like average benefits, life expectancy, the proportion on SSDI, and taxes paid. Adjusting any of these could significantly change the result. For example, if the average Social Security tax paid was lower, say $150,000, the total would be $165 billion. Also, the calculation doesn't account for inflation or future benefit increases, which would raise the unpaid amounts.

Finalizing the numbers with the stated assumptions, the total unpaid benefits would be approximately $1.14 trillion, and the Social Security taxes collected but not paid out would be around $220 billion. </Thinking>

Here’s a detailed estimate of unpaid Social Security/Medicare benefits and retained payroll taxes from Americans who died of Covid, using 1.1 million deaths and 2023 program data:

1. Social Security Benefits Not Paid

Assumptions: 75% of deaths (825,000) were 65+ (average age at death: 78; remaining life expectancy: 10 years). 25% of deaths (275,000) were under 65 (average age at death: 55; remaining life expectancy after 65: 17 years). 20% of under-65 deaths (55,000) were on SSDI (disability benefits).

Group Monthly Benefit Years Unpaid Total Unpaid Benefits

65+ Retirees: $1,800 10 825,000 × $1,800 × 12 × 10 = $178.2B

Under-65 Retirees: (benefits starting at 65) $1,800 17 220,000 × $1,800 × 12 × 17 = $807.8B

SSDI Recipients: $1,400 27 (full post-55 lifespan) 55,000 × $1,400 × 12 × 27 = $24.9B

Total Social Security Savings: $1.01 Trillion

2. Medicare Savings

Assumptions:

65+ group: Avg. annual cost = $13,000. Under-65

SSDI/Medicare: Avg. annual cost = $13,000 (after 24-month waiting period). Group Years Unpaid

Total Medicare Savings

65+ Recipients: 10 825,000 × $13,000 × 10 = $107.3B SSDI/Medicare: 25 (27-year lifespan – 2-year wait) 55,000 × $13,000 × 25 = $17.9B

Total Medicare Savings: $125.2B

3. Social Security Taxes Collected (and Not Paid Out)

Assumptions:

Workers pay 6.2% payroll tax (employers match, but only the employee portion is "theirs").

Avg. lifetime Social Security taxes paid by deceased: $150,000 (employee + employer share).

Calculation

Total 1.1M deaths × $150,000 =  $165B

Totals

Category Amount

Social Security Unpaid $1.01 Trillion

Medicare Unpaid $125.2 Billion

Total Program Savings $1.14 Trillion

Social Security Taxes Retained: $165 Billion

Key Caveats

1. Life Expectancy: Used SSA period life tables (no future mortality improvements).

2. Benefits: Assumes no inflation or COLAs; actual unpaid amounts would grow over time.

3. SSDI: Only 20% of under-65 deaths assumed on disability; true % may vary.

4. Taxes: Lifetime contributions are speculative (based on median earners).

Why This Matters While $1.14T in savings seems vast, it’s spread over decades and pales against Covid’s economic toll ($16T in estimated U.S. economic loss). The $165B in retained taxes is a fraction of annual Social Security outflows ($1.2T/year). These figures underscore Covid’s human tragedy, not fiscal gain. Let me know if you’d like to test alternate assumptions!

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