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Post subject: open shunt stub phase Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006
4:26 am
Hi i asked earlier about quarter-wave form Tlines and you
guys helped out a lot. i've another question to ask: i used ideal transmission
line models and it told me that I need 23 deg. electrical length for
a line series tranmission line and i plotted the mag. and phase of s21
and saw yes the phase is 23 deg (in fact it was -23 deg, why is that?).
however, my main question is this: the model also told me that i
need 47 deg. of electrical length for an open shunt stub for something.
i then plotted its mag. and phase of s21 but saw that the phase was
only 24 deg at the given frequency? why is that? i don't know the concept
clearly to know why the phase was 24 deg.--something to do with open
stub??. there is nothing special i am doing here. i just took completely
ideal models in a CAD program and put two 50 ohms terminations and simulated
them. your answer will be much appreciated. how wold be shunt short-circuited
stub different? thanks
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 7:08 am
one more question: one can have
open circuit single shunt stub but it said that when doing layout it
is a good idea to have balanced shunt stubs, meaning half the length
on either side of a series line, like a + sign. i calculated exactly
how to convert one shunt stub to balanced stub...my question is when
one simulates this should you get exactly the same response, what i
am getting is that the phase are same but the magnitude are opposite.
in the single shunt open stub i have phase starting from 1 (or 0 dB)
and decreasing a bit throughout he frequency sweep but for balanced
shunt open stub it start from 0 magnitude and approaches like .6 through
its frequency sweep!! doesn't make sense. please provide explanation.
my layout is i think ok, its like a + with both sides open and then
placed ports on the sides where the signal enters and exits
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Rod
Post subject: Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 2:09
pm
the phase are same but the magnitude are opposite
Is that
what you meant to say? I am almost ready to answer all of your questions
and more! After 3 more cups of coffee.
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:35 am
yeah....that's
what i meant but i think i figure out the problem but would still like
to know your feedback and the answer to the first one. thanks
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Honza
Post subject: 23 or 24Posted: Wed Jan
18, 2006 2:47 am
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I think that this misunderstanding
comes from the model/software you used.
1) Why -23 and not +23deg?
..I guess that the SW calculates the phase as decreasing quantity with
increasing distance from the port on which the fictive signal generator
is applied.
2) Why 24 deg and not 23 deg? (I HOPE I understood your
question well - that after adding a shunt line the phase of s21 changed
from 23 to 24 deg.) It is sure that some added line MUST change phase
relationships in the system - if the added line has some significant
length in comparison with the rest of the network. ...You can see this
fact if you use Smith chart. Try to put some serial line with parallel
line and see what will happen with the phase
Honza.
Posted 11/12/2012
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