Every once in a while an RF Cafe visitor writes to let me know that he or she
found one of the vintage electronics magazine articles I post regularly useful.
It helps to validate my efforts, which is critical for motivation to continue. A
couple days ago Mr. Dave Jones (N1UAV), sent me a note about the stacked television
antenna project he undertook after finding the "How
to Stack TV Antennas to Increase Signal Strength and to Reduce Ghosts" article
from the November 1965 issue of Popular Electronics magazine. His location
about 90 miles outside of Nashville, Tennessee, is a challenge for trying to receive
a good signal from a television station from both an attenuation and multipath signal
degradation perspective. Dave began with a single antenna, but was not happy with
the performance. The results of adding the second antenna is amazing. Dave's letters
and photos are posted below. His accomplishments on this and many other technical
endeavors are quite impressive. BTW, you can see from the letter why Dave selected
the Ham call sign that he did.
Original single-Yagi installation.
9-element Yagi close-up.
Stacked 9-element Yagi antennas.
Close-up of stacked Yagi antennas.
July 27, 2019
My name is Dave Jones. I am an RC modeler, electronics guy and all around tinker.
You can see my web at www.auav.net. I am retired and not in the UAV business
anymore I keep the website running for reference. I now live in Tennessee
about 90 miles east of Nashville and I have been wanting to put up a TV
antenna to receive Channel
5 out of Nashville. I was in the Satellite TV business back in
the 80's (the big C band dishes) and I installed a lot of TV antennas to
go with the satellite dishes. Back then you could buy a custom made Yagi
TV antenna cut for any RF channel that you wanted, but not today. I called Winegard and
Channel master and was told that they don't make custom antennas anymore. So
I thought I would try building one using 3/4 inch PVC pipe and 1/4 inch copper tubing.
I search on line and found an on line Yagi Uda Antenna Calculator.
I used the Calculator to determine the boom and elements lengths and spacing.
I used 605 MHz for my antenna because Ch 5 in Nashville now transmits on
UHF Ch 25 and are scheduled the change to Ch 36 (605 MHz) in September or October of
this year. This week I built a 605 MHz 9 element Yagi and mount it on a temporary
mount about 15 ft above ground level and it worked perfectly, unfortunately we
had a cold front come though while I was testing it and after the cold front dissipated
so did the signal. I mounted a 40 ft push up mast to the side of my workshop
and installed the antenna with a pre-amp and could not receive Ch 5. What
was driving me nuts was Ch 17 the Fox channel out of Nashville was coming in fine.
It has the same transmitting power (1 MW) and is located 2 miles farther away
from us than Ch 5, and its tower height is a couple of hundred feet lower than
Ch 5's tower. The only other thing is Ch 17's frequency - even thought
it is Ch 17 they transmit on Ch 15 and Ch 5 transmits on
Ch 25 (leave it to the government to make things crazy).
I wanted to add a 2nd antenna but could not find any of the old flat 300
ohm twin lead like we use to use back in the dark ages. I check with
a couple of TV shops and went to Lowes and no one had any, then I remembered
that my father in-law had some old TV antenna parts in his old garage
so I went down and found about 20 ft. I only needed 2 ft.
I then searched Google on how to co-phase two TV antennas and found the
November 1965 Popular Electronics article on stacking antennas, on your
RF Cafe website. It gave the correct spacing for the antennas and the length of
the phasing harness the article said make the harness one full wave length of the
lowest frequency that you are trying to receive. In my case I was targeting Ch 5
that is now on Ch 25 but will soon be moved to Ch 36, so I made my harness
for Ch 36, or 605 MHz. That worked out to be 19.5 inches. I did not expect
it to work but I built a 2nd antenna anyway and mounted it under the first
one, connected it with the phasing harness, and pointed it toward Nashville. I went
in and checked the TV and found I had a picture. I checked the signal strength and
it had gone from nothing to good and the picture is locked in solid*.
Thank You for posting the Popular Electronics article it helped me a lot.
- Dave Jones, N1UAV
* A digital TV broadcast signal, unlike
an analog signal, is either there or it's not - nothing in-between. A digital signal
at the edge or reception will break up into a pixelated display rather than just
increasing in "noise" like in the olden days. - Kirt B.
Also, I have found 300-ohm twin lead on eBay and sometimes it shows up on Craigslist
(usually at a pretty good price).
According to the Path Loss calculator in my
RF Cafe Calculator Workbook (at right), the signal attenuation over 90 miles
at 608 MHz is about 131 dB. For the 1 MW transmitter (assuming zero
antenna gain since TV broadcast antennas are typically omnidirectional in azimuth),
that works out to about -41 dBm of power at Dave's location, not accounting
for obstructions and/or multipath.
After requesting to Dave that he permit me to post his info, he followed up with
July 31, 2019
I just found your YouTube Channel and watched the video "Alliance Tenna Rotor Model U 100 4 8 2018." I don't know
how many of those I installed back in the Dark Ages; you could not kill one.
- Dave Jones, N1UAV
July 31, 2019
Thanks for the reply, sure go ahead post the story and photos. "It will also
serve the purpose of demonstrating how even half a century old articles can still
be useful." I tell people RF is RF and antennas don't know if it's a digital or
analog signal. This was a proof of concept prototype done on the cheap using what
I had laying around, I am going to build two new antennas using 1X1 square aluminum
tubing and 4 more elements each to get 3 more dB of gain from of each of the antennas.
I have one station that's fading out during the day but is good at night. That should
be a total of 6 dB over what I have now and I think that should resolve the
One of the 9 element prototype antennas has a gain of around 11.24 dBd**,
by co-phasing the two I should have gotten around 14.24 dBd. If I increase
the gain of one antenna to 14.24 dBd by adding more 4 more elements and then
co-phasing two of them together, I should have around 17.24 dBd. I know the
beam width will get narrower as the gain goes up but I think it should be ok. I
will send you build photos and a list of parts that I use for my new antennas so
you can do a follow up.
If you have the time please check out my YouTube channel, it's called "On My
Workbench." It's on some of the projects that I have done over the years. I
will be posting the Prototype and the new antennas to "On My Workbench." Thanks.
- Dave Jones, N1UAV
** dBd is decibels relative to the gain of a dipole antenna, which
is 2.15 dBi; therefore, 0 dBd = 2.15 dBi.
Posted August 2, 2019