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Microwave Noise - RF Cafe Forums

The original RF Cafe Forums were shut down in late 2012 due to maintenance issues. Below are all of the old forum threads, including all the responses to the original posts.

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 Post subject: Microwave Noise
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:21 am 
 
Lieutenant

Joined: Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:07 am
Posts: 2
Hi

I am a junior RF planner and just need some guidance in a thought that a have. In a split configuration microwave setup you have your ODU up on the mast and your IDU down in a protected housing right. Now if I want to calculate the thermal noise I use
Nt = kTB
(k = Boltzmann, T = temperature in kelvin and B spectrum bandwidth)

My problem, as the receiver sits in the IDU should I use the IF bandwidth in the feeder as my spectrum bandwidth or should I use the channel bandwidth that is received by my antenna? Maybe I should use a combination of both?
I figure you can't just use the IF bandwidth as some thermal noise would have already been added to the system by the amplification of the antenna and ODU.

Does anybody have some thoughts on this?

Thanks


 
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Microwave Noise
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:14 am 
 
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Hi avalon
A better approach is to convert all significant elements into equivalent noise temperature, then add them up.
There are some excellent sources on the net to guide you through the process. See for example http://www.satsig.net/noise.htm
Also agilent have an Application Note on the subject number 57-1 which can probably be downloaded from [url]hp.woodshot.com[/url]

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 Post subject: Re: Microwave Noise
Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 2:37 pm 
 
Lieutenant

Joined: Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:07 am
Posts: 2
hi nubbage

thanks for the info, it answers alot of my questions...





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