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 Post subject: Most of the posts in Miscellaneous are racist neo-con rants?
Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 5:54 pm 
In your opinion, is this symptomatic of those who work in RF? Personally, my coworkers are nothing like you guys - but maybe I'm the exception?


 
  
 
 Post subject: Re: Most of the posts in Miscellaneous are racist neo-con ra
Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 7:37 pm 
 
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AP wrote:
maybe I'm the exception?

What? Are your co-workers pinko commie leftists?


 
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Most of the posts in Miscellaneous are racist neo-con ra
Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 9:56 pm 
kpainter wrote:
AP wrote:
maybe I'm the exception?

What? Are your co-workers pinko commie leftists?


haha I bet according to the posters here they are!


 
  
 
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 10:20 pm 
If it's America hating and Bush bashing you long for, try the RF Globalnet forum. There, you'll get all the pro Palestinian, pro Al Queda, and pro everything but America that you could hope for. If you want racists, go there and eat up.

What you see here is some folks pointing out the hypocracy and double standards of the type you evidently long for. Now that the Old Media doesn't dictate what news gets out anymore, a lot of the old guard is feeling pretty vulnerable. Get used to it. You days are gone.

Brad Chase (yes, my real name)


 
  
 
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 10:46 pm 
Brad wrote:
If it's America hating and Bush bashing you long for, try the RF Globalnet forum. There, you'll get all the pro Palestinian, pro Al Queda, and pro everything but America that you could hope for. If you want racists, go there and eat up.

What you see here is some folks pointing out the hypocracy and double standards of the type you evidently long for. Now that the Old Media doesn't dictate what news gets out anymore, a lot of the old guard is feeling pretty vulnerable. Get used to it. You days are gone.

Brad Chase (yes, my real name)


you know, I didn't express any views at all in the original post. You're inferring all that. You seem a bit defensive. And angry. But, since you're kind-of proving my point about the forum, I don't mind.


 
  
 
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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 10:48 am 
Anonymous wrote:
you know, I didn't express any views at all in the original post. You're inferring all that. You seem a bit defensive. And angry. But, since you're kind-of proving my point about the forum, I don't mind.


Uh, what about your subject line?

"Most of the posts in Miscellaneous are racist neo-con rants?"

You really trying to say you weren't impugning anyone and inviting an arguement?

Dude, you're an idiot.


Your friend, Brad


 
  
 
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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 5:17 pm 
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
you know, I didn't express any views at all in the original post. You're inferring all that. You seem a bit defensive. And angry. But, since you're kind-of proving my point about the forum, I don't mind.


Uh, what about your subject line?

"Most of the posts in Miscellaneous are racist neo-con rants?"

You really trying to say you weren't impugning anyone and inviting an arguement?

Dude, you're an idiot.


Your friend, Brad


Haha I've got to give you points for trying, but I hardly think that pointing out racist rants on an internet forum makes me "pro Al Queda."

But, leaving your amusingly exaggerated accusations aside, why is this forum like this? I've always thought that engineering was an inclusive profession - when I sit down to a meeting, often times everyone at the table was born in a different country, and so I assumed that other workplaces were like that. Certainly my university was. But then you come on this forum, and it's like the 1950s all over again. Why is this? Is it that people like to talk big on the Internet? Or, is it like in my initial question - are your workplaces really like this?


 
  
 
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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 6:53 pm 
So AP, just exactly what is racist in "this" forum? Please provide a couple of examples. Neo-conservatives are, by definition, "new" conservatives. Just what is your problem with conservativism? Do you have a problem with Muslim conservatives that, in all honesty, would prefer to saw your head off on TV because you you are an infidel?

I submit that you look in the mirror to see the bigot closest to you.


Brad.


 
  
 
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:42 am 
Brad wrote:
Do you have a problem with Muslim conservatives that, in all honesty, would prefer to saw your head off on TV because you you are an infidel?


Where on earth do you get these things from?? From pro al Qaida / anti everything but America to Muslim conservatives sawing my head off - I have a feeling that we're not really debating the same issues here.

So, for everyone else browsing this trainwreck of a post: Do you have lunch-time discussions with your coworkers that could be described as similar in tone to the posts here? Do you feel that this forum area is representative of the types of people one works with in RF?


 
  
 
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:59 pm 
AP, I'm going to have to go with Mr. Brad on this one. To answer your question, yes, my mates and I do discuss such issues, at lunch and in the lab. But, I live in a Red state (actually, even the Blue states are mostly red in a county-by-county map), so you would probably expect that.

The thing with your type is that you routinely open a topic of discussion with a thinly veiled swipe at a group of people, and then feign surprise and hurt when anything is thrown back at you. You try to make the target of your attack look like the aggressor.

After reading your posts, I did a quick look at the topics here. If you take the time to look at the posters' comments, most of what you probably refer to has links to news articles that directly support the posters' topic title theme and text. I do not see racism being committed here, but do see a lot of racism being pointed to. I think that's what bothers you - exposure by an unbribled New Media whereas a decade ago only your antiquated views on the world were presented. The fraud of the Old Media has been exposed amply over the last couple years.

As the saying from Mrs. Roosevelt goes, "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen."



PJ


 
  
 
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:25 pm 
Hi PJ, thanks for your response. Yes, I admit the question was posed in a very provocative manner, but I was just really quite surprised by what I saw on this board - if I were to talk about repatriating muslims, or the justifications for japanese internment, it would be a pretty chilly coffee break at my workplace, that's for sure. But then, I have both muslim and japanese coworkers, which maybe the posters of this forum don't have (although, I would hope that one doesn't have to be muslim, or japanese, to be offended by that). One thing that I don't really understand is both your and Brad's mentions of New vs. Old Media - I routinely read both online forums ("new media") as well as more traditional news (newspapers), but my objection here is to the content, not the format, so I'm not really sure what you mean by that.


 
  
 
 Post subject: Conservatives
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 4:03 pm 
Brad wrote:
Neo-conservatives are, by definition, "new" conservatives. Just what is your problem with conservativism?
Brad.


I have no problem with conservatives. I am one.

Neo-conservatives are not "new" conservatives. They are not newly joined members of the conservative movement. Many have called themselves "conservative" for twenty or thirty years. What is new is their ideology.

The core of conservatism is limited federal government and strict interpretation of the Constitution. Neither of which is an element of Neo-conservatism. Neo-conservatism is an oxymoron. They are "big government" conservatives with over-reaching foreign policy objectives including Nation building. "Nation building" was rightly condemded by conservatives when Clinton was doing it and it should be condemned now also.






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