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 Post subject: Eagleware -> Agilent
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:50 pm 
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Has anyone heard about Agilent buying out Eagleware? This can't be a good thing. They say in their announcement that they will continue to support and develop Eagleware, but I suspect in a couple years you won't find it anywhere. So all of us Eagleware users will be learning ADS I guess.

Looks like Agilent plans to get rid of all the competition. I wonder how much Randy Rhea (he did own it didn't he) got offered for this deal???


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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:01 pm 
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you can put your copy of Eagleware right next to your copy of Touchstone :cry:

I like Microwave Office a lot. Then there is Ansoft, and Aplac. Those last two have resonably useful demo or student versions available for free.

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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 10:39 am 
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The software companies are divided into 2 categories:

1) Companies that provide students versions for free or time limited licenses in orer to allow users to evaluate their products, among those are: Microsoft, Microwave Office, MATLAB etc

2) Those who don't among them is Agilent for ADS.

Agilent is a dominant player in the market and is doing its best to keep its dominance. One move is buying its competitors like Eagleware. I don't think that they will keep investing in Eagleware's products. Shame because GENESYS is a really cost effective software.

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- IR

 Post subject: agelant ruined eagle
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:25 pm 
I am so sad eagleware is dead. i have the dos version from 1992, eepal and even superstar!
I was offered the upgrade to Genisis some time back and did not have the cash then-- now i call and i am told the upgrade is 15k$ -- when i said i was unable to afford it when it was offered b4 and wanted to buy it now, this jerk LAUGHED at me!!
now i am looking to find a way to disable the hardware key-- it will not run in the "dos window" of XP and i have but one drive with the DOS files still intact. they are offering ZERO support to legacy customers. does anyone have the full install of dos eagleware? my serial number is 140 and i am not looking for an illegal copy, just a clean instal for someting i PAID for. thanks in advance to anyone who can help.

 Post subject: help for eagleware customers
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:18 pm 
i just spoke to AWR and they are great folks-- they are offering us abandoned eagleware customers Microwave Office -- They only ask for ur ew hardware key and will send you a program supported by nice humans-- contact

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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:52 pm 
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Agilent is a dominant player in the market and is doing its best to keep its dominance.

I agree but, for the life of me, I can't figure out why. ADS is a piece of $hit. I am not saying that ADS can't do very powerful things - it can - but, it sure isn't easy to use. Their GUI was designed by a moron (or rather a whole roomful of morons). Their support sucks. Of course, it is VERY expensive. Microwave Office isn't all that cheap either but much less than ADS and is very easy to use. When a company I worked for evaluated ADS and MWO, MWO won out. Eagleware seemed like they were taking MWO's lead.

I am not totally convinced that it is the Eagleware product line that will die now that I think about it. Give how clunky the ADS interface is, I wonder if the Eagleware front-end will become the next ADS? Of course, they will make it so you can't tell that is what they did.

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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 1:38 am 
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Hello kpainter,

ADS did have a lousy GUI, that is absolutely true and their technical support is not that good comparing to other EDA vendors. However, the GUI has imporved a lot in the current version ADS2004. With ADS you can still do things that you can't do with other tools. I can give you an example from my personal experience: Back at 2002, I designed a relatively simple non-linear circuit, based on FET that was biased in a bit unconventional way. Only ADS version 1.5 could analyze and simulate this circuit correctly with extremely accurate results - and I am talking about the same results that I saw on the VNA. While the 2 other tools - MWO and GENESYS, couldn't do nothing and showed me garbage. So I am sure that Agilent are fully aware to the GUI problems, and they get tons of negative feedback about it, and inded as I mentioned are working out to imporve that.

Maybe following this acquisition they will incorporate GENESYS's GUI into ADS. who knows :?:

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- IR

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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:25 am 
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Greetings IR:

That was kind of my thought, too, when I heard about the Agilent-Eagleware merger, that perhaps Agilent's goal was to be able to adopt the Eagleware GUI. It certainly would be an improvement.

Whereas both Agilent (EESof) and Eagleware began their lives as Unix-DOS based software, Eagleware adopted a Windows-style interface right away, while Agilent (EESof) basically ported the code to Windows while retaining the cruder, DOS-style look. It might have been a good strategic move at first in order to coax users onto the new platform, but for crying out loud, it has been over ten years and they have only recently gotten better.

Microwave Office had the advantage of starting out on the Windows platform, so their developers never had the Unix-DOS baggage to carry along.

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 Post subject: help for eagleware customers
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:03 pm 
OK--Here is poetic irony- I had called Agelent and thought i had extended my deadline for the one time upgrade dos old eagleware to the modern version about a year ago at a quoted price of about 900$-- when i called Agelent, insted of Randy Rea [who is absolutly the best!!], i got someone who was rude and unsympathetic to us [a small firm] "When was the last ime you sent us money"-- HOW CRASS. I gave them good money when they started out-- customer #140.
Anyway, we got a new laptop with XP and my old dos eagle could not be used on it due to the dos hw key direct call. So time to bite the bullet and upgrade-- I called and i was told what had been offered by our old friends at eagleware had been withdrawn by the new owners [agelent] and the new price to upgrade was 15k$ WITH LAUGHTER--i told him we had been waiting till we had the "spare" the 900 bucks- and he thought that was FUNNY! i buy more hardware than software, and i will be buying anritzu hardware now- i will never send tham another dime!
Here is the irony- after this i started to look around and found AWR offering to adopt us old ealgeware users- they are giving us Microwave Office in exchange for our eagleware key-
I see from kirt's new thread AWR bought APLC-- thank goodness Agelent did not!!-- the folks at AWR seem wonderful to deal with- good! otherwise another group of users would be crying and using valuble griping bandwidth

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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:27 pm 
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Like it often happens, one's life changes several times, and you end up re-educating, catching up, investing in new testgear, and trawling the industry to replace/upgrade the old SPICE sim, and the old versions of PCB layout software that you soldier on with because the little guy cannot invest 10K+ .

Companies like Agilent are working furiously to "integrate" the various design tools that have evolved, and sell to a relatively small pool of companies that can afford it in making large volumes of very few applications. The majority of new applications, (thats new apps, not new volumes!) are made by small outfits, or individuals, soldiering on, trying to grow faster than the price tag on the dwindling number of design tool packages.

er.. Yes, even in my prejudiced moment, I think that is so.

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