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Post subject: Would you go for a job interview abroad? Posted:
Fri Nov 19, 2004 4:37 am
I have a question
for you: Suppose you are working in a full-time position in your homeland
and actively seeking for a position overseas. You applied for positions
abroad and sometimes being replied back. A company schedules you a phone
interview. Following the phone interview, which appears to be a successful
one, that company asks you to come for a face to face interview at a
short notice (1 week or 2 weeks to the most).
You advise them
beforehand (before the phone interview takes place) that you can't come
to their country because you are working in a full- time position and
tight schedules, and your manager won't allow you to take a vacation.
The travel to that country can last between 4 days to over a week if
there are no frequent flights to that country.
there is no guarantee that you will be hired, your job in your homeland
is being risked, you risk yourself in dismissal, you pay (not them!)
for the travel and the associated expenses of it (hotel, transportation
etc) and all of this operation for an interview that will last how long:
2 hours, 3 hours to the most? Mostly shorter than the flight time to
And today we live in the 21st century, where
almost everyone has a camera and voice aids (microphone and speakers)
and can hold an interview through a video conference without being required
to travel thousands of miles away! Yet these companies seem to live
and behave like in the medieval ages, and haven't heard about today's
technologies. These companies are oftern telecom, RFIC and IT companies....
Please let me know your thoughts... and how you would act in this
immigrantsPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:59 pm
everyone in north america
came via immigration.
why should you be any differnet ?
Post subject: Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004
Do me a favour, read the post again and then reply OK?
Post subject: Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 12:09
I you explain your situation to the company abroad, and they
still insist you come for a face-to-face interview maybe that's not
the kind of company you want to work for.
Post subject: Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 1:59 pm
Yes, you are probably right. These people insisted to see me face
to face despite my explanations. They probably want to shake my hand
to see that I am a real human being and not a cartoon from Walt Disney
This is simply an outrage and disrespect towards an applicant.
I wrtoe them a pungent email and told them that everyone I know will
be advised about the experience I had with them in order to spare it
from other people.
Unbelievable that such companies exist and
Any other replies shall be highly appreciated.
Post subject: Posted:
Mon Nov 22, 2004 12:41 pm
The mentioned company is Austriamicrosystems
located in Austria. Their attitude towards applicants is beyond redemption,
as I mentioned in my first post. I advised them about my employment
circumstances beforehand, and they asked me to have a phone interview.
At the end of the phone interview, I mentioned again this point. Following
the phone interview, they invited me to come to a face to face interview
in short notice (at the following week), although they knew about my
What comes out of this is that they
waisted my time on a false phone interview, during which they knew that
I can't come and my circumstances wouldn't change. And then they raised
my limitation as an obstacle for the continuation of the recruitment
I am bringing here my epxerience with them, to spare
you from having such an experience with them. Such a company don't deserve
the right to recruit and hire people.
Post subject: Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 4:32 pm
If you are applying
for an overseas position and are not prepared to meet with the company
leaders face to face then maybe you should look domesticly instead.
Yes this is the age of cameras and high speed internet connections but
companies do not generaly hire without actually meeting face to face.
The company has every right to recruit and hire based on their requirments
and if a face to face is a requirment then that is what it will take
to obtain the position.
Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 2:04 am
Yes, you do have a point. However,
a full time job is like a relationship. For example, would you get married
to someone based on a teleconference webcam and phone calls without
ever seeing the person face to face ?
you know, there are many
things you can tell about a person just by standing in front of them
. It's not just about the your technical abilities you see .. A person
that is a genius in his field is a great thing, but if he is a snobbish
one, then I wouldn't want to work with him or even hire him.
This is just my point of view. I'm not an employer and I don't own my
own company, so I only reflect my opinion based on being an employee.
Post subject: Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004
If you see a person and get to speak with him it is enough,
if you think that shake his hand, smell his deodorant etc would make
you feel more secure that this is the right person, then you can go
and work for this company .
If gaining a position in a new company,
means you have to risk your current job, being fired, ruin your reputation
in the market etc, then the new company you applied to is again narrow-minded,
primitive and don't have the right to recruit and hire people (and I
think that its right to exist is doubtful too).
technologies were made exactly for this purpose, to make the communication
easier for people and spare them from traveling thousand of miles just
for speaking and seeing each other. A company which is not aware to
these basic facts has no right to exist. Gaining a new job is not supposed
to be painful or hurting process it is just meant to screen the right
person for the job.
Post subject: Posted:
Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:46 pm
I think you are a whingeing sad pedantic
git! Why on earth apply for a job abroad if you can’t travel and meet
them? If it is any consolation I personally would not work for austriamicrosystems
because they are one of the most paranoid companies I’ve ever come across.
Post subject: Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005
Yes you should work for Austiamicrosystems as you and them
are made from the same stinking brown material called crap
Post subject: Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:09
Come on. Be nice people.
Doesn't an engineer cost as
much as a really nice car? Would you want to buy a car after only seeing
it in a video? Most people would want to see it in person. It is only
Post subject: interesting
storyPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:09 pm
What a story:
doesn't allow you time off? Why are you working there in the first place.
Your job is in geopardy. Well that might be a godsend for you to leave
Your are going where there are few flights? Let me tell
you that I have never encountered in Europe or US a case where I had
to pay for interviewing expenses. This is supposed to be company cost
as part of the hiring cost! If they are not willing to invest in the
hiring process it doesn't bode well for anything else after that. You
should look elsewhere.
Like others here I do believe that technology
or not, after a phone or video conference it is necessary to meet face
to face with the guys you will be working with for a long period of
time. It is a commitment to them as well as to you.
should do really all depend on your personal motivations. My take on
your posts is that it is not the company where you work that is the
most important to you but other factor like geography... etc. If what
you do during the week-end and during your free time is important to
you it will guide you to what you should do.
Post subject: Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 4:55 am
yes i agree . even when moving within the country for interview,
the company will pay the interview expences. i think that any abroad
country will pay the interviewing expences beforehand or at the time
of interview. if u are applying for such a company which do not pay
min expences then u have chosen a wrong place to work.
so much busy in your project in the existing company then u should forego
applying for the new jobs. u should wait till u are free.
just my thought and i strongly object on ur comments when u make after
reading our thoughts.