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Post subject: Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:20 am
Sounds like your working in the wrong place
Post subject: understanding Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:41 am
I have also ran into the same problems...
My conclusion is that , the only way to continue dealing with RF and RF design is trying to get into an RFIC design.
That , I think , requires some Engineering skills , and it also will upgrade you towards the future. It looks like this is the future of us RF Engineers.
Post subject: Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:19 pm
What do you need a employer for?
If you are as knowledgeable as you say, and you have patentable ideas, why not start your own business?
Post subject: Just play by the rulesPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:25 pm
So, you're upset about the rules?
If the rules are that you must have a MSEE or PhD to do design work, why don't you get a MSEE or PhD? If you can't play by the established rules you'll have to make your own business. BUT, Microwave engineering gets expensive quickly. Have you priced a network analyzer or spectrum analyzer lately? Heck, even decent coax cables and connectors cost an arm and a leg. Hence, most microwave engineers need employers with deep pockets (like defense or communication companies).
I believe most of engineering work is just making sound common sense judgements that many non-engineers could make. I also believe most people would love to be engineers. So, we've come up with a system to "weed out" the regular folks from having all the fun jobs.
It's really difficult to change the established rules. Perhaps it's easier to play by them. You've already got an advantage--you know what the rules are.
Post subject: RFIC DesignPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:07 am
the future of rf is definitely in rf design. to show employers you have to taket the right mix of courses: gone are the days board level RF work and here are the days of RFIC : cmos/bipolar analog circuit design, some vlsi design, microwave theory and techniques, semiconductor physics and modeling, communications theory and stochastic processes.
the best way is to get working and not get depressed about it. many schools offer online courses and degrees and if you really want to get into this new mix of rf/analog and semiconductor work you really need this combination -- this is the real reason people want ms/phd people because you could never combine all these courses into a BSEE degree.
companies can't afford to train people these days and you have to train yourself, taking courses like this will help you do just that -- expensive yes, but if you seriously love the work, you can rise up to the challenge.
and there are not a lot of people who can combine all these skills together and even fewer schools that can offer a combination of these courses so you competition is low.
Post subject: Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 6:02 am
Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:02 pm
For me an RF Engineer or any other Electronics Engineer (Maybe to some exceptions Digital Engineer), has been always somewhat a "Technician", as you name it. I don't see any wrong thing with that and I would avoid of disrespecting technicans and their work as you implied in your post.
The average Engineer's job would always involve hands-on work (What you refer as grunt). I have exactly the same experience as you in the industry and I have started from "grunt jobs" and moved to R&D and project management and in bad times returned to the "grunt jobs". It is all due to the industry's situation at a given time. Even at my current job, where I am doing real design, a great amount of time is to do testing, soldering and whatever is needed to get the job done. You will never hear me compalining - I did complain few years ago when I had to do testing more than design (At the sweet days of the high-tech bubble) when every Engineer felt priviliged. But since then I grew up and changed my attitude, and today there is no job that is considered "too low" for me.
If you hate your job so much, then you should find yourself another job. It is not healthy to wake up every morning with a full stomache and go to work like this.
BSEE=Depends on how you grasp yourself.
Post subject: Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 9:27 am
Didn't Thomas Edison spend most of his time in the lab trying to find the perfect filament? Sounds like there are a few pre-modonas in the crowd.
Post subject: Rf engineer jobsPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:18 am
With just an Associates degree since '76 I've remained in the broadcasting, telecom, & communications field. Perhaps it's the varied tasks + working in the field where I don't have to wear that tie 'cuz it's not the $. Now @ 50 I've several times considered going back for that B.S. sheepskin but I've discovered that the new EEs know little about propagation, tubes, nor practical engineering to get a job done 'cuz they
only know computer programs, ipods, and feel it's beneath them to get their feet dirty @ a site. Yes, it seems that the H.R. out-of-reality types think that even the janitor needs a degree these days but what we do is "black magic" to them, managment, and of course the "bean counters" that run so many companies today. We'll still be working wonders and reaping the satisfaction of "saving the day" when they're nursing their paper cuts for years.
Post subject: Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:38 pm
Joined: Sun Aug 03, 2003 2:02 pm
Location: Erie, PA
Sounds like there are a few pre-modonas in the crowd.
Ha. I can remember thinking the term was "pre-madonna."
In fact, it is prima donna, which refers to the lead female singer in an opera. Because they tend to be extremely self-centered and self-important (as in Phantom of the Opera), hauty people are often referred to as prima donnas.
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Post subject: Prima donnaPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:45 pm
Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:02 pm
Yes the exact term for that is prima donna. They call this type of people the same also from where I am coming from.
Testing what you do or what others do... This is the job requirements: Take it or leave it...
Find yourself another job if you think you can do more. And if you are that talented, instead of self-pity infront of the PC, go and find a more interesting job.
Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:48 am
Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:02 pm
Design is what I do and I have a pr oven track record, a patent and a front cover on an RF magazine.
If you are that good as you claim, then you shouldn't have worked in that "lousy" job at first place. I don't belive that there are no suitable jobs all over US for someone with your skills.
If you need to relocate in order to find that perfect job you are looking for, then relocate to other state in the US. Don't expect for too much sympathy nor respect for ranting and self-pity. It doesn't do no good to anyone.
Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:36 am
If the designs are so great, then how come they are not robust enough to meet the tolerances of manufacturing. Most designers get called into the manufacturing plant because there designs do not have enough margin to meet the manufacturing tolerances. This is also true for repair. Units fail for a reason, there is usually a design flaw. My designs are exactly that, my designs, I own them, so if I need to follow them to the factory floor or the repair depot, then that is were I go. It is is a part of enginnering and there are very few companies that embrace over the wall engineering these days. If you just want to deisgn on paper, then get a job in a University.
Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 1:52 pm
Ok, you're an experienced rf engineer, but can't find a better job? There's got to be more to your situation. I'm about to graduate with my MS in this area, and there seems to be more than enough employers to go around. Why don't you quit, spend some time finishing your master's, and try starting out on a fresh step? From where I'm sitting, it seems like employers can't get us out of school fast enough. Maybe you've been working at jobs that you dislike for so long that you've got a really bad attitude and that's what's really behind the seeming lack of anybody to look at your nifty designs?
Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:36 am
Sounds like ______ has a "chip" on his shoulder. Glad I am not that miserable.