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fxl
Post subject: filter design Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:52 pm

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When designing an interdigital or a combline bandpass filter in stripline, I frequently have a S21 dip, about 0.5 to 0.8dB in magnitude, near either low side or high side of the passband. For example, if the passband is 900MHz to 1.3GHz, this dip may occur at around 990MHz or 1.22GHz. There is a corresponding S11 spike at the same frequencies. What causes this? Can anyone enlighten me on this? Thanks.


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nubbage
Post subject: Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:28 am

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Hi fxl
This will always happen when using an ellyptic function or a Chebychev design, and it is due to internal resonant paths within the structure.
Butterworth Constant Phase types avoid this, but have a slower roll-off for the same number of elements.
The attenuation variation (S21) across the band for a Chebychev should never exceed the design ripple factor (eg. 0.25dB) by any more than the small margin for dissipation due to finite Q values of the elements. If you are looking for maximum stop band roll-off rate, choose ripple factor at say 1.0dB, and that will be the variation limit across the band.
Note also that the -3dB bandwidth and the equal ripple bandwidth are different from each other, which is warning you that between the ripple factor frequency and the -3dB frequency the S21 (and S11) will vary wildly. There is a formula relating them, but I will have to look for it.









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