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Post subject: RMS Value Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:34 pm
Sep 04, 2007 7:54 am
This is a simple one.
Just consider two sine waves
each with 1V peak value. Assume 1ohm resistor. The RMS value of each sine is 1/sqrt(2) and the average power is
Now, consider the signal which sum of the above sine waves. This will be a sinewave with 2V paek and
average power of 2W. But the individual signls have only 0.5W so the sum should be 1W.... where am I missing?
Post subject: Re: RMS ValuePosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:29 pm
Joined: Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:44 pm
The power formula is as you
So you see the power is a function of the square of the voltage. A 2x factor in voltage yields
a 4x (2^2) increase in power. That's why you go from 1/2 W to 2 W (1/2 x 4 = 2).
You are thinking of the
two independent 1 Vpk sinewaves across two independent 1 ohm resistors. It might not seem intuitive that
impressing 2 Vpk across a single 1 ohm resistor would dissipate 2 W when individually (1 Vpk and 1 ohm, twice)
they would dissipate only 1 W total, but that's Ohm's law (and real life). The two scenarios simply are not
Post subject: Re: RMS ValuePosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:50 am
Joined: Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:54 am
Thanks for the
One morer question on this.
I have a two signal generator set to 1Ghz and are connected through a
combiner to the power meter. Each of the signal generator levels are adjusted so that each signal alone measures
0dBm on the power meter. Now, I turn on both signal generators. As per your analysis, the power meter should
6dBm.... it reads only 3dBm.
Looking forward for your comments.
subject: Re: RMS ValuePosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:26 am
Joined: Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:44 pm
Hi again ljoseph,
The 3 dB power increase is correct when two equal amplitude, equal phase
signals are added linearly. It is due to the way decibels work for power and voltage.
For a factor of 2 in
power with units of power:
10 log (2) = 3.01 dB
For a factor of 2 in power with units of volts:
10 log (2^2) = 20 log (2) = 6.02 dB
In your previous case from the first post, you were doubling the
voltage (two, 1 Vpk signals). In this one, you are doubling the power.
Post subject: Re: RMS ValuePosted: Fri May 01, 2009 9:03 am
Joined: Tue Sep 07, 2004
When strictly looking at adding voltage waveforms at a voltage summation point in a
circuit, it is right to assume that you will get 6dB increase in power if the two waveforms are coherent.
But don't forget that your combiner performs an impedance transformation, some voltage from each waveform get's
transfered to current by a squarerooth of 2 factor, and therefore you fall again on 3dB increase.