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mike
Post subject: Microstrip impedance vs. frequency Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 10:14 pm
two questions: 1) as the frequency increases what happens to microstrip characteristic impedance assuming dispersion affects are included?

2) i think at high freq., impedance will decrease....to compensate for it do i make width bigger or smaller? my understanding is that you have to increase the width to get higher impedance. answers will be much appreciated. thanx

-mike


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guest
Post subject: microstripPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:50 pm
I'm at work right now & don't have access to the papers - but Rogers Corp. has an on-line calculator (downloadable too) and the formulas it's based on in this pdf:

http://www.rogerscorporation.com/mwu/pdf/rt312.pdf

Good Luck!


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anormalhouse
Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:05 pm
A microstrip transmission line will tend to
"roll off" as frequency increases.
This is because the shunt capacitance becomes
dominant.

A 50 ohm line is a 50 ohm line regardless of frequency.


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Guest
Post subject: microstripPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:26 pm
anormalhouse said: "A 50 ohm line is a 50 ohm line regardless of frequency".

Not true. Most substrate materials have a dielectric constant which is a function of frequency. Since the dielectric constant is part of the impedance formulas, the characteristic impedance varies with frequency.

FR4 is a particularly blatantly bad example of this. "50 Ohm lines" on FR-4 vary from 50 Ohms as the frequency goes above 1 GHz. This is in the literature. Again, see the Rogers website.

Good Luck!


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anormalhouse
Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:40 pm
Yeah, you kinda missed my point.


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guest
Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 4:26 pm
people,

you guys really didn't answer the question and i'd like someone to answer it again for me also and for the person who orginally asked the question. taking into account frequency effects what will happen to impedance when the width is increased?


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anormalhouse
Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 4:37 pm
whoa, whoa, calm down "guest". We'll aswer the questions in due time.

Let me have a cup of coffee first, then we can all about frequency vs. line width, dielectric constants, and dogs.


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Guest
Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 6:46 am
When you increase the width the impedance goes down, mor capacitive. Decreasing the width the impedance goes up, more inductive.



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