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eldrichmyer
Post subject: Help! need some advice on cable compensators... Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 10:01 am

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Joined: Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:40 am
Posts: 3
Hey guys,

I am in a quandry (Am trying to increase my vocabulary, and this is one of the new words I learned). I need to make a cable compensator. I have a basic idea of how the full device should work, but I am not sure how the cricuit works exactly. The biggest problem (from what I have read) with the compensator I need is that it needs a bandwidth of just over 1 Ghz. If anyone can offer some advice, or direction to a website it would be greatly appreciated!

Thanx

EM


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Post subject: compensatorPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:27 am
When dealing with compensators, there are several questions you need to answer:
1. Fixed compensation, (manually) adjustable compensation, or automatic (self-tuning) compensation. These somewhat depend on whether the conditions you're compensating for are going to change either significantly or rapidly.
2. Assuming it's gain flatness and constant group delay you need, what is the range of correction needed? (Example: cable is down 20 dB at 1 GHz)
3. How accurate does it need to be (1 dB? 0.1 dB? 1 nanosecond? 100 picoseconds?)
4. Active or passive?

Good Luck!


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eldrichmyer
Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:02 am

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Joined: Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:40 am
Posts: 3
hey mystery guest,

The questions were actually very useful (read:I hadn't thought of all that!). The compensator is meant to work on a very long coax line (about 60m if I am not mistaken). Delay not really the issue, but gain flatness is a BIG issue, I would like it to have as high an accuracy as possible (It is on our radio telescope, so we are doing VERY low level noise measurement). Also, the cable isn't really gonna change at all, so it will need to be adjustable, but just once so that you can set it for the specific cable and forget about it. Also, Passive I think is the way to go!

I have the old unit here on my bench, and just tell me if I am completely wrong in my assumption. It looks like a butterworth filter, of which the Q is adjustable (with a little pot). I can't imagine that it would work at a particularly high frequecy as they have used old 5% carbon resistors... So what I would like to try is to replace it with is an adjustable Q tuned circuit, and use the lower end of the frequency responce slope as the compensation curve... Have I got the wrong end of the stick, or am I on the right track?

Thanx a lot for the help so far!

EM


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Guest
Post subject: EQPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:55 am
Do you really need that much correction for the gain? The unit you have is one of the classic configurations - a LPF with adjustable Q.

You might want to try to measure the response you're trying to equalize, and then using optimization to get the values for an equalizer. Tom Cuthbert's books discuss this in detail. (www.trcpep.com).

Good Luck!



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