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Because of the high maintenance needed to monitor and filter spammers from the RF Cafe Forums, I decided that it would be best to just archive the pages to make all the good information posted in the past available for review. It is unfortunate that the scumbags of the world ruin an otherwise useful venue for people wanting to exchanged useful ideas and views. It seems that the more formal social media like Facebook pretty much dominate this kind of venue anymore anyway, so if you would like to post something on RF Cafe's Facebook page, please do.

Below are all of the forum threads, including all the responses to the original posts.


 Post subject: Illegal Immigrants
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:34 am 
 
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Greetings:

Below is a letter that I just sent to my local newspaper in response to yet another editorial advocating for illegal immigrants. Please take a moment to read through it and let me know what you think of my position.



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6/25/2007

Greetings Mr. Globe:

In the interest of full disclosure, please do your readers a service and identify which laws, in addition to those pertaining to legal immigration, you advocate ignoring at will. The editorial column in today’s Mt. Airy News clearly apologizes for the 12+ million (many estimate 30+ million) people who have broken federal law by illegally entering the United States of America. Being printed implies that it represents the view of this newspaper’s management. Mr. Matthews, per established talking points, does not make the cause and effect link between explosive Latino population growth and the massive invasion of Latinos (from Mexico and Central America) across our southern border. His claim of the illegal immigrants working “often without benefits,” conveniently neglects to mention the healthcare and education services provided to them by law-abiding citizens and visa holders. Of course he knows about those and the many other benefits accorded to illegal immigrants, but his agenda demands that he not mention them. Mr. Matthews, as well as the management and staff of this newspaper, also are fully aware of the incredible burden placed on our healthcare, education, and legal systems by illegal immigrants whose liabilities on society arguably far exceed any assets generated; you have the research data that supports my claim (it is widely available), but you will not print it.

As an electrical engineer who has run an engineering website for almost ten years (more than 8,000 worldwide visitors each weekday), I have received e-mails from foreign professionals lamenting the lengthy process necessary for legal entrance into this great country. Some practically beg me to use my contacts within the government (of which I have none) to expedite their H1B visa issuances. Others already here write of the very stringent limitations placed on them; their freedom of movement is strictly regulated. Those professionals, evidently as a result of great ignorance in spite of their generally high levels of education, do not understand why they are being forced to endure the restrictions of totally legal behavior, while millions of others are basically being offered a free pass in return for illegal activity. These engineers and scientists I write of submit to stringent criminal background checks, health screening, and seemingly endless waiting and bureaucratic red tape, and overwhelmingly desire to gain citizenship based on their contributions to America. They come here already writing and speaking more proper English than your average public school graduate. We do not need to provide multilingual signs and brochures for them, or offer more phone buttons for them to push to hear a message in their native languages. Those H1B holders are overwhelmingly assets to our nation because of the rigors of entrance and the talents they bring. When replying to their letters, I usually (in a darkly joking manner) recommend that they buy a ticket to Mexico City and simply wade across the Rio Grande.

No reasonable person denies that the majority of illegal immigrants are hard-working, but then so are the majority of legal American citizens. Recent instances of raids on businesses where illegal immigrants dominated the workforce show conclusively that there are plenty of legal citizens available to do the work. America was built by legal immigrants and citizens. We became the most productive, most successful, most generous, most desirable country in the world through the ingenuity and hard work of legal citizens, not because illegal immigrants were sweeping the floors and picking lettuce while others worked. Anyone who truly believes that Americans are not capable of functioning without illegal immigrants is not in touch with reality (possibly from reading too many editorials).

My agenda is clear: I endorse the enforcement of immigration laws for the sake of national security, economic well-being, lower crime, lower burdens on education and healthcare systems, and the moral standard set by illustrating a willingness to reward those who obey laws and punish (or at least not reward) those who break the laws. What is your agenda?



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Kirt Blattenberger
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:55 am 
 
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Excellent !

Here in southeast Florida there are so many people that say "let them stay, they just want to work". I am sickened by the phrase "undocumented workers". That is the term they use to describe people that have proven that they have NO respect for laws. I am appalled that our government wants to reward criminals when there are hundreds of millions of people that show respect for the law by NOT invading the USA illegally.

Kurt, may I use your letter (fully attributed) ?


 
   
 
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:20 am 
 
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wb9jtk wrote:
Kurt, may I use your letter (fully attributed) ?


Greetings wc9jtk:

Yes, you are welcome (even encouraged) to replicate my letter. Thanks for the compliment.

It is utterly perplexing to me how such blatently illegal activity can be endorsed by politicians - many of whom helped write the laws that are routinely broken by the illegals. Fortunately, the senators and congressmen are receiving a tidal wave of correspondence from We the People, and are being told that their futures in office are in the balance with this one. Interesting that some of the legislators who you might normally expect to back the amnesty bill are opposing it; gee, do you think maybe it has something to do with them being up for reelection in November?

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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:46 am 
 
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Hello Kirt,

I must join the fray and comment upon the situation here in Jolly Olde England (forgive my impertinence). The BBC has aired stories on occasion illustrating the problems we are having with immigrants not assimilating into our society. The Muslins in particular are transformain sectors of Britain into isolated Arabic towns. We native citizens recognize the peril we are in by virtue of the terrorist actions and hateful rhetoric coming from many (but not all) of those communities. Now, I can live peacefully with anyone, but I and my neighbors do fear that peaceful existence is not exactly what the radicals have in mind for a relationship with us. History and careful examination of modern day agendas show that many of those amongst us consider the vast majority of Europe to lawfully be Islamic territory, by virtue of the Crusades eras. Shockingly, our media will not acknowledge that in its reporting.

France is dealing with immigration in a surprising but refreshing way - paying people to return to their home countries. The Frenchies realize the danger their country is in both from a security and an economic standpoint. Perhaps England should follow suit before something more serious than another bus bombing occurs.

Unfortunately, I do not trust our bought-off politicians to behave any more responsibly than those you lament over in America. Perhaps we are all doomed. :(


 
   
 
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:55 pm 
 
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1. We should not even call them "illegal immigrants" because under our laws they are NOT immigrants because the law requires that they be deported. I believe "illegal alien" is more correct description. And that is the term we heard in the 80's. Do the newspapers and TV want to mislead us?

2. I think Kurt did a better job with his letter (the first post in this forum thread). But here is what I wrote a few weeks ago and never sent to anyone because I did not feel I did a good job with it.

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Illegal Invaders do NOT want to participate IN the system. For what reason do they desire to NOT follow the laws for entry into our country? Is it criminal history? contagious diseases? laziness ?

Why reward a criminal for performing criminal acts for 5 years ?
Should we reward drug dealers after 5 years of not getting caught?
Should we give a permit to drive drunk to anyone that can show reasonable evidence that they have been driving drunk for 5 years ?

If you are working, retired or vacationing in the U.S. of A. you are either consistently working toward becoming a citizen of my country or you still pledge allegiance to some other country. In either case, there must be a registry of persons that will obey, uphold and defend the constitution of the United States of America and those that have not chosen to do so. How could this be done? It is called a “passport” !

60 years after the end of the internment of persons of Japanese descent we still have not learned the importance of knowing who is devoted to our well-being and who is not. The tragedy of the internment of persons of Japanese origin or descent is that nearly all of them were here legally and were dedicated to the improvement of the United States of America.

Compare a person that stole something for a store 6 years ago with a person that climbed over a fence into the United States of America at the same time. The shoplifter may have since realized the act was wrong and has every since been a law-abiding person and a great asset to our society. Most would agree that to punish the citizen for that one crime 6 years ago would not benefit society. He has already self-reformed.

However the s.o.b. that climbed over the fence 6 years ago is by definition NOT a reformed criminal. Every nano-second that person is in this country he is consciously and intentionally commiting a crime. Had that person at any time decided to refrain from further criminal behaviour he would no longer be here.

Do you know an “undocumented worker” ? If the answer is yes, then you are a criminal. You are an accessory to a crime in progress. Your DUTY to our country, both morally and legally, is to report the presence of illegal aliens immediately!

It is my understanding that when being inducted into any branch of military service (thanks to all of you) that each person swears an oath to uphold, defend and protect the constitution of the United States of America and to defend us from all threats 'foreign and domestic'. This is interpreted to mean that all those that have sworn this oath and know the ongoing existance of any illegal aliens are inherently a traitor. Anyone that does not report their knowledge of the existence of 'illegal immigrants' is an accessory to a crime.

Did your grandparents immigrate to the USA because they wanted to sit on their asses and collect welfare or did they come here to work ? Before world war 2 there was not yet any large scale government system which encouraged laziness.

Liberals have destroyed the U.S. work ethic. I think those that 'support' illegal immigration because 'we need workers' should also support a plan to export welfare addicts. I cannot afford to support illegal alien workers AND resident welfare addicts. If you believe this country needs more workers, then we must not reward those that have not been sharing the burden of confiscatory taxation that we share to support the welfare addicts.

If we "need these undocumented workers" then we obviously do not need the unemployment system. If you believe we 'need these workers' then you surely believe that we should terminate all unemployment benefits immediately.


 
   
 
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:32 am 
 
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Greetings wb9jtk:

"Why reward a criminal for performing criminal acts for 5 years ?
Should we reward drug dealers after 5 years of not getting caught?
Should we give a permit to drive drunk to anyone that can show reasonable evidence that they have been driving drunk for 5 years ?"


Your letter does quite a fine job of expressing the rational opinion of the majority of the citizens of this country - including a large portion of legal immigrants from Latin America. The above quote from your piece is an apt analogy of the inane notion of granting legal status to people who have been continually, by definition, breaking our federal laws from the moment they breached the border.

What person that supports the amnesty bill would put up with a stranger breaking into his/her home (without permission) and then setting up housekeeping, having his family live there with him, availing himself of the owner's medical insurance coverage, sending his kids to the owner's private school, etc., all at the owner's expense, and then having him claim a right to stay there indefinitely simply because while there he washed the dishes and mowed the lawn?

It is a fact that the vast, vast majority of the legislators who are voting on this bill have not read the contents of it. They might know about a very small portion that pertains to an amendment that they are supporting, but that's it. When pressed for details on radio or television, none of the supporters can quote any specifics.

Our Senators and Congressmen have decided to blatantly ignore their charge to represent the will "of the people, by the people, and for the people." They forget that we are a representative republic. Insofar as they might believe we are a democracy instead, that concept refers to a democracy consisting of 100 isolated (from their constituents) senators and 435 isolated congressmen.

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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:58 am 
 
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Kirt et al,

I totally agree with you guys. If it wasn't for the concerned citizens of America there would be 30 million newly minted "citizens" ready to stand in line with their hands out for newly accorded privileges. Those "hard-working" immigrants are lurking in the shadows just waiting for getting legally placed on the public dole. You think out entitlements system is taxed to the limit now, just wait and see if (when) the illegals finally get citizenship. Bush's "family vaules don't stop at the Rio Grande" BS is going to kill our economy.

Remember that once they become citizens, then who will do the work they no longer want to do? Employers woun't be able to afford them because they'll have to get minimum wage, and the same bunch of baffoons in Congress that want to give them a free pass on their illegally being here, also want to increase the minimum wage to $8-$10 dollars per hour. Those morons are clearly out only for their own political gain and couldn't care less what the ultimate impact on the country is.

I am damn sick and tired of every other culture in the world being held up as if it is something special, while we're not supposed to promote the glory of America and all the good it has done around the world. Look at the money and lives we've wasted in Africa and the Middle East where the 5th century Muslims rule. America has paid the largest price for promoting freedom and democracy in the world. If it wasn't for our boys, the entire rest of the world would be under Communist and/or Muslim rule.

I'm for calling back most of our troops and gear worldwide and hunkering down inside our own borders. We have strike capability from space and within hours with our hypersonic vehicles. There's a lot we don't know about that is probably being kept under wraps for in case it's ever needed. Let the rest of the world fight amongst itself. They'll be so busy warring that they will fall apart.

BTW, why are Citgo and Neighbors gas stations still allowed to operate in America? Here we have Iran's ImInaJihad and Hugo Chavez in Venezuela swearing a pact against the U.S., and we're still selling gas at the state-owned oil drilling and processing system (recently confiscated, ala Cuba with Castro in the 1960s). That is one boycott that could actually work. There are plenty of other gas stations to use. :smt067


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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:05 am 
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QUITE AN ANALOGY

I bought a bird feeder. I hung it on my back porch and filled it with seed.

Within a week we had hundreds of birds taking advantage of the continuous flow of free and easily accessible food.

But then the birds started building nests in the boards of the patio, above
the table, and next to the barbecue.

Then came the poop. It was everywhere: on the patio tile, the chairs, the
table...everywhere.

Then some of the birds turned mean: They would dive bomb me and try to peck me even though I had fed them out of my own pocket.

And others birds were boisterous and loud: They sat on the feeder and squawked and screamed at all hours of the day and night and demanded that I fill it when it got low on food.

After a while, I couldn't even sit on my own back porch anymore.

I took down the bird feeder and in three days the birds were gone.

I cleaned up their mess and took down the many nests they had built all over the patio.

Soon, the back yard was like it used to be...... quiet, serene and no one
demanding their rights to a free meal.

Now lets see....... our government gives out free food, subsidized housing,
free medical care, free education and allows anyone born here to be
an automatic citizen.

Then the illegal's came by the tens of thousands.

Suddenly our taxes went up to pay for free services; small apartments are
housing 5 families: you have to wait 6 hours to be seen by an emergency room doctor: yourchild's 2nd grade class is behind other schools because over half the class doesn't speak English: Corn Flakes now come in a bilingual box; I have to press "one" to hear my bank talk to me in English, and people waving flags other than "Old Glory" are squawking and screaming in the streets, demanding more rights and free liberties.

Maybe it's time for the government to take down the bird feeder.

If you agree, pass this on.........





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